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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Nov 4, 2008 8:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Well...

Let's hope we never ever hear of Sarah Palin again, unless she turns up in porn or something similar, that would be far more suited to her qualifications. She was an insult to Americans that are able to think and reason, and was an indication of the true feelings that the Republican party has about the American constituency-- that we are ignorant, gun-toting rednecks who care about nothing more than oppressing gay people and keeping guns in our fucking kitchens. Good riddance.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Nov 4, 2008 8:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

who's bitter here ?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 5, 2008 6:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

well, I'm not FUCKIN BITTER!!!! :)

hugs Obama, may your tenure be fun but short

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Nov 4, 2008 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

I'm not. I'm glad the Dems won. I would have considered voting for McCain, though, if not for that totally unacceptable running mate of his. That was, in immediate retrospect, the biggest joke I've ever seen in politics. And I refer you back to my previous comment.

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Poster: daliguana Date: Nov 5, 2008 6:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

Oh, she'll be back - they're touting her as the next leader of the party. Unbelievable, but true. Just watch for the next eight years, she'll be groomed for the WH.

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Poster: Bumr50 Date: Nov 5, 2008 6:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

As a conservative I can tell you that we are in need of MAJOR reform, and Sarah Palin as a republican simply won't fit.
We need to put the old republican party out of it's misery for good and begin anew, and many such as myself feel that a name change is in order if only to distance ourselves from the wishy-washy RINOs and the Eastern ivy league boys club. All in all I think that this election cycle has been a positive one in that Americans are more engaged than they have been since perhaps the early 1900's.
As an individualist and a libertarian, I've been able to share, change, and shape views with many more people than I ever thought possible.
I wish Barack Obama the best of luck, with the realization that he doesn't have a filibuster proof majority in the senate and will have to sacrifice some of the nanny state policies he's outlined. Thank heaven for checks and balances, the brilliance of the founding fathers, and freedom!
It's a great day to be an American!

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 5, 2008 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

That's the best post I've seen from a conservative on this forum, perhaps ever.

Intelligent, thoughtful, yet without abdicating your own viewpoint. Wish there were more like you.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 5, 2008 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

Morning grendel -

There are some more of us "conservatives" out here. Unfortunately in most cases we choose not to engage in debate in forums and venues where we are the clear minority.

Not because of people like yourself who are clearly capable of polite debate and respectful disagreement (I've been lurking), but because of the wild eyed, narrow minded, mouth breathers who immediately ramp it up to a flame war. And don't for a minute think I believe that my side of the aisle doesn't have its share of the above mentioned cretins.

Thanks for a simple, yet very expressive post - Be Well my firend.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 5, 2008 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

...and thank you for your note, Mandojammer.

I actually think there are quite a few conservative voices here, and I never object to hearing points of view other than my own. I completely agree that what's lacking is a tone of respect and thoughtful difference of opinion.

what drives me nuts are the sweeping mean-spirited posts, a la "myreus" or whatever he calls himself, that are so nonsensical and bereft of fairness based on fact as to demand an almost equally invective response. I have to hold myself back from really flying off the handle and I'm not always successful, so I appreciate your qualifying my posts as generally polite and respectful.

It's one thing to disagree about Obama's policies... his plans for taxation or health care...but to say idiotic things like he was "created by the media"--which completely discounts his origins working his way up from the streets of Chicago to the senate to here...and to blame Clinton for Bin Laden....when 9/11 happened on Bush';s watch (and can you imagine the blame that would have been heaped by that same individual had Clinton still been in office when that went down),....it just defies belief.

I just wish we could have reasonable, respectful arguments of differing opinion based on fact rather than hyperbole or thinly veiled prejudice. We'd all enjoy this forum much more and eventually realize that--hey!--we're all here in the first place b/c we actually share a love for the music of the Grateful Dead! That's really the binding factor (or it should be), and shows we're not as far apart as we seem.

anyway, thanks again for reaching out.

GC

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Poster: darkstar1964 Date: Nov 5, 2008 6:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

if palin was an insult to americans ...
what is obama ... ???
in reality ... palin had as much experience serving people as obama ...when she was a pta member ... and did a better job.
last time i checked ...alaska was an awesome place to live...and she enjoys an 80% appoval rating up there ... who else does?

what has obama done ...
am i missing something here ...

obama is a fool .
you thought the economy was bad now? .. ..lol...
good luck being employed the next 4 years.
he is the next jimmy carter ...

enough said. ....



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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

>>>obama is a fool .
you thought the economy was bad now? .. ..lol...>>>

Well someone IS a fool.

You laugh. Ride, ride, ride...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHrtkCC9rnE

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Poster: BiscoBoy Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

when Monday comes you gotta run, run, run
not walk

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

Uhh you must be new here, we have all been assimilated.

1 + 1 + 1 = 4

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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 5, 2008 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

4+2+0=420=what me worry?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 5, 2008 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

4+2+0=420=what me worry?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 5, 2008 7:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

I'm no Obama fan, but I am encouraged by the fact that in January, the leadership of the most powerful nation on earth will change hands without incident. And if you look throughtout this land, you will not see one tank or APC or brigade of soldiers marching around anywhere. We will transfer leadership over night and the only thing moving on the streets will be Krispy Kreme trucks making early morning deliveries. Not too many other countries can make that claim.

As far as an economic crisis - it is going to happen regardless of who is in the White House. Obama likely has us in the express lane towards it, McCain would have had the luxury of GOP inertia but it would have happened on his watch as well.

Just my two cents here but if you really want to read a horror story coming, go out and buy "The Fourth Turning" by William Strauss and Neil Howe.

Food for thought - not calling anyone out.

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Poster: kochman Date: Nov 5, 2008 7:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

"And if you look throughtout this land, you will not see one tank or APC or brigade of soldiers marching around anywhere. "

Yeah, I am a bit concerned about Obama wanting to create a Civilian National Security Force... as if the FBI, DEA, ATF, etc aren't enough already? Jeez!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

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Poster: Bumr50 Date: Nov 5, 2008 8:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

For fun Google "Katimavik"
This is Obamas model.
Scary.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 5, 2008 8:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

WASHINGTON—African-American man Barack Obama, 47, was given the least-desirable job in the entire country Tuesday when he was elected president of the United States of America. In his new high-stress, low-reward position, Obama will be charged with such tasks as completely overhauling the nation's broken-down economy, repairing the crumbling infrastructure, and generally having to please more than 300 million Americans and cater to their every whim on a daily basis. As part of his duties, the black man will have to spend four to eight years cleaning up the messes other people left behind. The job comes with such intense scrutiny and so certain a guarantee of failure that only one other person even bothered applying for it. Said scholar and activist Mark L. Denton, "It just goes to show you that, in this country, a black man still can't catch a break."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 5, 2008 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

Totally on the NONPARTISIAN front, can you believe how much folks age in this job? Duh, you say, but it is striking looking at George from beginning to end, or at Nixon or LBJ...

Anyway, good one my friend (see, I am reaching across the isle).

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

Bush aged 20 years plus in just 8, I noticed that myself. Clinton seemed to succumb to advanced aging himself. I imagine it might be a stressful job.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 5, 2008 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...Might as Well

"Might As Well"
Words by Robert Hunter; music by Jerry Garcia

Great North Special, were you on board?
You can't find a ride like that no more
Night the chariot swung down low
Ninety nine children had a chance to go

One long party from front to end
Tune to the whistle going round the bend
No big hurry, what do you say?
Might as well travel the elegant way


Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well


Ragtime solid for twenty five miles
then slip over to the Cajun style
Bar car loaded with rhythm and blues
Rock and roll wailing in the old caboose


Long train running from coast to coast
bringing long the party where they need it the most
Whup on the boxcar, beat on the bell
Nothing else shaking so you might just as well


Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well


Never had such a good time
in my life before
I'd like to have it one time more
One good ride from start to end
I'd like to take that ride again
Again


Run out of track and I caught the plane
Back in the county with the blues again
Great North Special been on my mind
Might like to ride it just one more time


Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well


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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 5, 2008 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...Might as Well

Well, I needed that (you are aware, are you not, that my allies--BD? Rob?--deserted me and I am single handedly fighting World War 2 all over again below, and Mr KMan even has recruited to his axis of evil forces aligned against me in this historic struggle...?).

This post was modified by William Tell on 2008-11-05 17:14:11

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 5, 2008 9:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...Might as Well

Well if ya'd take the doggone apple off your melon, maybe the axis of evil would stop shooting at you.

Oops, wait. Weren't you the guy doing the shooting? Or was that Robin Hood?

If you are from the Canton of Uri I am most suspicious of your true intent.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 5, 2008 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...Might as Well

I'm here, Master Tell. Just getting out from under a working day I'm glad to see the end of. I've been dropping by from time to time during the day and I must say that you've been doing a fine job of holding the line single handed. I'm happy to leave the marshalling of the facts to you. My major beef with kochman was his patronising and il-informed dismissal of any contribution the rest of the world (in particular for some reason we Brits) might have made, but I have enough headache-inducing crap to contend with without butting heads with that bozo any longer. (I will admit my typing fingers itched to respond earlier today.)

Just caught a post-election round-up on tv. They were playing Hornsby's The Way It Is underneath it. I can't quite decide if the program editors were making a subtle comment on events or just picked it because it's a nice tune. Or maybe I should stop trying to find meaning where there is none.

Anyway, I'm off to the kitchen to do some cooking with 05-15-70 for company - I think it's just what I need right now. Catch you later, old friend.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 5, 2008 9:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...Might as Well

Good day rob -

Some of the recent postings have yanked me out of lurkdom. Don't sweat kochman too much. It takes some conservatives a bit longer to lick their wounds and get over last night's election results. Shoot, I had to wade through about 30 posts in here this morning before I had to laugh it off and stop pouting.

BTW - 9/18/70 going here in Virginia. Epic Other One IMO.

Be well.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 5, 2008 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...Might as Well

That's OK, I got your back . . .I know nothing of history and WWII except I did read a fine book by my pals Uncle who used his fathers notes to put together the story of how his dad ran one of the craft that landed troops at 'the beach' on d-day. It is pretty interesting to get such a close (second hand?) accounting of one persons veiw/experience of that action.

I suppose I should read more historical stuff.

Might as Well!!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 5, 2008 12:40pm
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If you want to read something that will take a long while, but with only a little effort (it can be dense) and with the reward of learning a huge amount about the world we live in today and all the antecedents of its structure politically (at least via European influences), "Munich: the Price of Peace" is a must read. You will learn much of the importance of WWI, the 20s, the 30s, and even beyond.

Having read literally 100s of books on 1850 to 1970, it was perhaps the most thorough in revealing so much of the political, cultural and other influences on why we had WWII, and the major players involved.

Riveting.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 5, 2008 1:18pm
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I've mentioned this before, but well worth your time:

http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/09/03/specials/johnson-modern.html?_r=1&;oref=slogin [Paul Johnson: Modern Times]

I'm about 2/3rd through a current re-read. Also, did you ever read Daniel Yergin's "The Prize"? - all about history of oil and it's role in war, politics, etc. throughout last century until now (depending on his most recent addition). Fascinating book.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 5, 2008 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...Might as Well

Throw the following into you book bag as well:

Financial Armageddon
Twilight in the Desert
The Fourth Turning
Peak Oil
When The Oil Runs Out

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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 5, 2008 6:53am
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enough said & well said

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Poster: He Live's Date: Nov 4, 2008 10:30pm
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i have a lot of other thoughts too (as i am sure you do) but i 1000% agree with you. i was saying to someone down at the old bar -- "you know, i think she could be a good principal.... but a VP? or The President?"....... goood fucking god, that is the last insult anyone could ever try and perpetrate after 8 YEARS of EMBARRASSING, pathetic insulting lies. -- you're trotting out the milf? really? this is it? this is your campaign? you are boosting your ticket by introducing me to someone i might consider "doing", in the, well.... vaguest of ways....?

good lord! AAAAANNNND ........she's gonna speak? on her own? and take..... questions? ......... from a reporter?..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....mmmmph. uh, uh ,uh, HAHAHAHAH....MMPH, cough.... sorry, gotta go......

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Poster: kochman Date: Nov 4, 2008 8:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Well...

At least you don't mince words

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 4:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: gracious winners

I'd hate to see this place if obama lost...

hippy riots?

damn